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B E A S T · Aug 21, 2007, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Dude...you gave away a victory token?

Im emailing Anet right after this post. That is unacceptable.

My Sweet Revenga · Aug 21, 2007, 01:27 AM // 01:27

Well we should think about this. If I were unscrupilous enough to take advantage of duping (and I'm not saying I do, or even know how to in the first place), duping unid golds would be the last thing I would do. I would probably dupe ectos or diamonds 10 at a time to be safe, duping 250 ectos is a little too obvious. Or to be even safer, I'd dupe some really expensive high level item like a perfect gothic sword, fellblade, or elemental sword and sell that. Sell those off once and you have quite a bit of cash. Duping unid golds is just tedius and pointless for just 1k per unid gold. They don't even stack.

I don't know how the duping actually worked, but I can only speculate. Since the duping bug seems to be related to the disconnect/reconnect feature, it's safe to assume that the dupers probably dropped an item, purposely disconnected, and reconnected and voila the item the dropped is back in their inventory and they pick up the one they dropped before they disconnected, hence duping it. Either that or let a guildie pick up the duped item. I recall on several occasions where I've been disconnected from a server, and upon logging back in, I find my character back in an outpost with my inventory back to the way it was before I mapped out, and basically I had just wasted the last 5-10 minutes of gaming. Not much different from the old Diablo2 duping method.

So you can either dupe an unid gold for an extra 1k per disconnect/reconnect and fill your inventory with duped unid golds for a net gain of a pitiful 20-30k, or you can dupe something worth more like a small stack of 20 ectos or a nice weapon for 100k profit a dupe. Really if those dupers were smart, they wouldn't have duped literally millions of plat worth of the same item so quickly which is why they got caught. So really I don't think you have anything to worry about with buying unid golds because there were really better things to spend time duping, like freakin armbraces -_-

Enko · Aug 21, 2007, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by My Sweet Revenga

Well we should think about this. If I were unscrupilous enough to take advantage of duping (and I'm not saying I do, or even know how to in the first place), duping unid golds would be the last thing I would do. I would probably dupe ectos or diamonds 10 at a time to be safe, duping 250 ectos is a little too obvious. Or to be even safer, I'd dupe some really expensive high level item like a perfect gothic sword, fellblade, or elemental sword and sell that. Sell those off once and you have quite a bit of cash. Duping unid golds is just tedius and pointless for just 1k per unid gold. They don't even stack.

I don't know how the duping actually worked, but I can only speculate. Since the duping bug seems to be related to the disconnect/reconnect feature, it's safe to assume that the dupers probably dropped an item, purposely disconnected, and reconnected and voila the item the dropped is back in their inventory and they pick up the one they dropped before they disconnected, hence duping it. Either that or let a guildie pick up the duped item. I recall on several occasions where I've been disconnected from a server, and upon logging back in, I find my character back in an outpost with my inventory back to the way it was before I mapped out, and basically I had just wasted the last 5-10 minutes of gaming. Not much different from the old Diablo2 duping method.

So you can either dupe an unid gold for an extra 1k per disconnect/reconnect and fill your inventory with duped unid golds for a net gain of a pitiful 20-30k, or you can dupe something worth more like a small stack of 20 ectos or a nice weapon for 100k profit a dupe. Really if those dupers were smart, they wouldn't have duped literally millions of plat worth of the same item so quickly which is why they got caught. So really I don't think you have anything to worry about with buying unid golds because there were really better things to spend time duping, like freakin armbraces -_-

if they were smart, they would've just duped stacks of lockpicks and sold them back to the merchant. the effect wouldn't be seen at the merchant so nothing suspicious there.

i've been buying unid golds for a looong time. no problems here since most likely you're buying from a farmer who's paid to play. most bots can't sell to players and the few that can (such as in droks) are horrible at it and can be the source of many a good deal (sup vig for 500g anyone?). because of that, most of the botters seem to have gone away from merchant bots and just sell everything off to the merchant.

pork soldier · Aug 21, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

I read this thread and I lol'd.

Muspellsheimr · Aug 21, 2007, 04:11 AM // 04:11

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Originally Posted by Vamis Threen

Perhaps it's just my current paranoia

It's not paranoia when they are out to get you.

Squirrel Oo · Aug 21, 2007, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Lol I got so worried about getting banned for just playing Guild Wars that... I started playing WoW LOL... Nice one Anet

No srsly, I just got bored but this ban fear is ridiculous. Players are not doing anything wrong and some play in constant fear of getting banned. Anet's politics seem too hars so far.

KingKryton · Aug 21, 2007, 04:40 AM // 04:40

these bots selling for 7 for 4k are ruining the market imo. i used to chest run but now its not worth it unless you get a really good drop because you cant get a decent price for your unids

Xx_Sorin_xX · Aug 21, 2007, 04:49 AM // 04:49

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Originally Posted by Vamis Threen

Anyway, there have been a some posts about unids on this forum recently, and the practice seems to be frowned upon in the wiki,

I always thought wiki frowned on buying unid items because people know what the mods are before they sell them, and no one would sell a well modded weapon as unid. So basically your ripping yourself off hoping for a good weapon. However if your just going for unids and dont particarly care what the mods are, then I can't see why its frowned upon. It's just another alternate way to get a title that is ridiculous to get anyway.

Roshi_ikkyu · Aug 21, 2007, 08:34 AM // 08:34

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Originally Posted by Agent Mold3r

some people say they can check un-ided items for good mods....if there arent any good mods/runes they sell them, how do you do this?

makosi has the basic idea but most people just test for the 30hp+ mod, which is easy as.

And wtf, why bring up the dupe, My Sweet Revenga!
You have no idea how it was done, and your idea is so wrong its a social outcast for being wrong! And it has no connection to this thread. Stop duping topics.

Roshi_ikkyu · Aug 21, 2007, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by Xx_Sorin_xX

I always thought wiki frowned on buying unid items because people know what the mods are before they sell them, and no one would sell a well modded weapon as unid. So basically your ripping yourself off hoping for a good weapon. However if your just going for unids and dont particarly care what the mods are, then I can't see why its frowned upon. It's just another alternate way to get a title that is ridiculous to get anyway.

True, Unided armours are not even worth it... if your looking to get a rune, I use to buy unided armour for the odd chance of getting a sup absorb, but now they just salvage the rune before sale.

But with the weapons u can still get some decent items, But if your buying them for the mods or because you wanna try ur luck don't bother. There always likely to have been tested.

[b] Most people buy unided items because identifying them add to there title (as Sorin mentioned) and is really the only reason I buy unided

Enix · Aug 21, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Buying Un-Ided is not anywhere near buying/selling Minis for hundreds of amberances. No rules are broken or exploits are utilized when people get un-ideds.

People buy Un-ids for the wisdom track, so people dont care about the mods.

Buy away...

My Sweet Revenga · Aug 22, 2007, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Roshi_ikkyu

makosi has the basic idea but most people just test for the 30hp+ mod, which is easy as.

And wtf, why bring up the dupe, My Sweet Revenga!
You have no idea how it was done, and your idea is so wrong its a social outcast for being wrong! And it has no connection to this thread. Stop duping topics.

Well firstly, true I dunno how duping was really done but I'd say my guess as to how it was done was a pretty good one. It was just an example. The main point of my post was that there are better things to dupe than unid golds period so the OP's paranoia is unjust. And in the event that the OP in fact was not referring to being afraid of duped unid golds and was in fact only paranoid about bot farmed unid golds (god only knows why), read my next paragraph...

Secondly, I brought up the dupe thing cuz... I dunno.... maybe because the OP brought it up first? He also mentions cheap armbraces which duh duh duh.... leads to the duping topic. His post was vague enough that either he was paranoid that the unid golds he thought about buying were duped, or he's super duper parnoid that buying bot farmed unid golds for so cheap might lead to a ban. Either case, best to be thorough. God I hope you were just joking with this post. You make it sound like you know how the duping thing works hrmmm?

Buying unid golds 3-4k for 7 doesn't sound out of the ordinary. They used to be 1k per unid gold. But like everything else, supply has increased while demand might have dropped slightly, therefore prices dropped. Also, from watching bot "behaviour" it seems they are programmed very simply. Go out, kill some stuff, pick up everything, zone back into town, sell everything to merch, repeat. This would happen regardless of whether the items are gold or purple and they would have to have a real person monitoring the bot to filter out gold items. Apparently many bots are NOT monitored as some players are messing with the bots by forming a party with the bot and screwing up its run. If the bot was monitored at all times, this would not be possible.

savage vapor 33 · Aug 22, 2007, 01:23 AM // 01:23

LoL it used to be everyone went to imperial sanctum to get their fill on unid. Now its not as popular due to the chest changing.

A11Eur0 · Aug 22, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by EroChrono

First of all; if you gave away 1, just 1, victory token you have absolutely no reason, what so ever, to be banned, as 1 token is worth about 2 seconds of farming, no big deal..

As for the unid'd issue; yesterday, while browsing the screenshot forum, I saw someone who bought 2 unid's for 500g each (rare skin weapons, perfect dmg mod :P), he seems to be a respected member of the guru comminuty and I doubt someone like that would let himself into illegit activities to later show it off on a forum..
I doubt it would be considered illegal by ANet to buy those golds. As Gaile said on the duping issue; ANet can check every single trade, they'd see there just unid'd golds. Buying it is not the crime, I'd say..

How did he know it had a perfect damage "mod" before it was ID'd? He got lucky if it was 15^50. Rare skin...that's another thing. But what rare skin was it?

Series · Aug 22, 2007, 06:34 AM // 06:34

If the gold UNID sellers are bots, I bet there is a way to manipulate their AI...

Gaile Gray · Aug 22, 2007, 06:47 AM // 06:47

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Originally Posted by B E A S T

Dude...you gave away a victory token?

Im emailing Anet right after this post. That is unacceptable.

I think we will let it slide.

(Seriously, Vamis, that's nice, not bannable!)

I've asked for a more formal response on this matter, because the sale of unidentified gold items is sort of a "grey area" in my mind... no pun intended. When I know more, I'll post.

Hyper.nl · Aug 22, 2007, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I think we will let it slide.

(Seriously, Vamis, that's nice, not bannable!)

I've asked for a more formal response on this matter, because the sale of unidentified gold items is sort of a "grey area" in my mind... no pun intended. When I know more, I'll post.

Gray area? Hm, I hope not. In the past I traded loads of these, buying from farmers and reselling to Wisdom title hunters when the prices were higher. (1-1.5k each, before loot scaling). And I still have a lot if them in my inventory as result of my own hard mode farming. Is there anything wrong with it?

Suuk · Aug 22, 2007, 07:25 AM // 07:25

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Originally Posted by B E A S T

Dude...you gave away a victory token?

Im emailing Anet right after this post. That is unacceptable.

That does it! I am gonna quit this game. Too many people ruining the fun for me...

I am curious what Gaile has to comment after she consulted ppl about her grAy area.

t_the_nihilst · Aug 22, 2007, 10:11 AM // 10:11

I'd personally be careful that you aren't buying those unidents from a bot. I've seen what I assume are bots running around in major towns.

They are usually low level monks with no clothes who spam in incorrect English something to the tune of "7 uniden gold 4k. Trade open plz."

Once someone I know traded with one of these bots who sold him armor that after he identified them were actually somehow missing their runes. When he tried to PM the bot (He obviously didn’t know it was a bot at first) it would answer with the same thing it was spamming in all chat. He opened trade with it again and it presented more unident armor (assumably blank of their runes).

These bots are easy to spot and I haven't seen one in a while, thank baby Jeebus.

Vamis Threen · Aug 22, 2007, 02:25 PM // 14:25

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I think we will let it slide.

(Seriously, Vamis, that's nice, not bannable!)

I've asked for a more formal response on this matter, because the sale of unidentified gold items is sort of a "grey area" in my mind... no pun intended. When I know more, I'll post.

Thanks for your comment. I was pretty sure it was safe to give away a Victory token. Two would have been too many though

Anyway the unid thing is a bit of a bind atm:

1)Buying unids is the only way to get the Wisdom title maxed in under a decade (unfortunately I'm not joking, it took me 9 months to id 900 in normal gameplay and that was with some chest running)

2)Buying from real players seems to be a legitimate activity.

3)Bots and real players are hard to tell apart.

When GWEN come out I suspect my interest in unids will wane, and since the number of suspicious characters selling unids seems to have dropped-off since the duping-purges, it may all become academic.